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Ha ha! I saw a funny thing in a forum this week.

Someone posted a question asking about a design feature of another site. There was then a link to that site and the gist of the question was “Hey, would you guys take a look and tell me what you think about XYZ-feature?”

One person responded thus…

I was okay for the first 10 seconds, then saw a Playboy Ad….won’t be going back…sorry

I felt like adding the comment:

Well, sweetheart, while you’re at it, you’d better not go into the newsagency anymore either, eh.

For the record, the site being referred to was NOT a porn site. Had nothing to do with porn. Nothing even close. (I didn’t get served a Playboy ad when I visited, but I’m guessing that the ads are geo-targetted in some way because I get some ads in Japanese, for example.)

Now, I don’t want to get into the porn debate here because that’s actually NOT the point of this post. The point here is this:

* How religious folks love to take that moral high ground and then think they have a right to overtly interject their moral position wherever they like

Whoa! Hang on, boy!” I can already hear some people saying to their computer screen “How do you know she’s religious?

Well, actually, I don’t. That’s, therefore, a fair criticism.

But would be willing to bet just about ANYTHING that she is.

Why? Just because she objects to porn? That’s rubbish… I’m not religious and I object to porn too!

Sure. But you probably don’t make comments like that on public forums when there is absolutely NO relevance to the discussion. Simply to assert your moral position.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, of course. But people do NOT have a right to assert their moral opinion in a public forum, the topic of which has zero to do with philosophy or morality or ethics, etc.

Somehow, though, strongly religious folks seem to think that they not only have the right to do this, but a duty to do so.

Well, get the fuck outta my face with your religion. I’ve had enough!

For cryin’ out loud, go… and… read… The God Delusion, the most prescient account of not only why religion has got it so astoundingly wrong, but why it’s so dangerous, too. Really, if you haven’t read it, do so. Particularly if you’re religious. T’would be a terrible shame if this book were just a case of preaching to the choir (irony intended).

This blog, for example, is NOT a public forum. Yes, it’s a public place. But it is my blog where I talk about whatever is on my mind.

You can contribute to the discussion, by all means. In fact, please do.

You can disagree with me (as previous commenters have).

That’s okay. No problem.

It often turns out (strangely enough! :lol: ) that I’m not right about everything, y’know! Even though I (like everyone else) like to think I am (right, that is) at the time of opening my big mouth or bashing out something on this keyboard.

(And I’m truly grateful when someone puts me straight on something I thought I was right about and which it turns out I was not.)

BUT… very important… you have a choice to come back to this blog or not. This is not a public discussion board or a membership site dealing with nothing even remotely connected to philosophy.

Look, I apologise if on your first visit you come here and find stuff that you think is offensive or grossly at odds with your worldview… No, actually, I don’t “apologise” for that at all… because–generally–I don’t think I am particularly offensive.

Aaaannd… in stark contrast to most people who disagree with me on religious and metaphysical points of view, I have actually given my convictions a great deal of rigorous analysis.

Interestingly, though, the nature of this blog being “publicly accessible” makes my argument here about not having the right to publicly spout your moral position slightly wobbly (because essentially that’s what I do with every post!). And ayone can come here out of the blue and find stuff that they don’t like or don’t agree with.

But it’s not quite the same. This is a blog. People know that blogs are opinionated places; generally the domain of a single writer. And I’m not just interjecting my morals in a discussion I’m having with you about something else entirely, such as websites. I’m starting the discussions here!

Some conversations I start–on the Net or in “real life”–are all about moral issues and are therefore framed to deal with people’s opinions, thoughts, and moral positions. In that case, hit me widdem! That’s a clear invitation.

But a question about a design feature on a website?

Say, my creepy Orwellian computer system (actually, just a simple WordPress plug-in and nothing to worry about. Honest!) is displaying this message automatically because it wants to help you get the latest updates to this somewhat irregular blog delivered to you direct, hot off the press via RSS! Huh? Via...WHAT??? Don't worry, it's just a fancy email thing without the spam. Easy. Painless. Safe. Click here to subscribe via RSS..

Thanks for visiting & I hope you find some good stuff here! Leslie

2 Comments

  1. Comment by Ms X on February 13, 2008 5:44 pm

    Hello there Leslie,

    I don’t think you and I have personally met, but I have found myself at the insulting end of your sharp tongue I see. I am said ‘idiot’, ‘prat’, ‘religious holier-than-thou’ that apparently made the mistake of crossing the same forum YOU post on. Silly me.

    Just for the record, I am anything BUT religous - wrong on that account.

    I don’t think I have ever been called as many demeaning names as you have in this one blog - thanks for that.

    And frankly you have completely blown out of proportion what occured. I thank you for your PRIVATE MESSAGE to me so as to not include it in a forum, but to publicly berate someone you don’t even know? I at least have more manners than that.

  2. Comment by Leslie on February 14, 2008 11:02 pm

    ========== Wow… ouch, huh? :oops: So I emailed her… ==================

    Hi there, Ms X

    It seems I owe you an apology on TWO accounts. For:

    1. as you say, berating you (a complete stranger) like that

    and

    2. being WRONG

    I’m going to make a couple of other comments here. They’re not excuses or anything lame like that. I’m not a little boy and I don’t try and sidestep the responsibilities and consequences of my actions.

    If you’d rather not hear me out, then I can fully understand that.

    Nonetheless, this is what I would like to say…

    I just re-read that post and it seems that Lezzie was having quite the ranty bad day. Not that that’s any excuse.

    I do still stand by my comments that I thought it was a moral position which had no place in a public forum and that it was a stupid contribution to the thread.

    That’s not a nice thing thing to say, for sure, but it is what I believe. And the PM that I sent you was the “diplomatic” version of that sentiment.

    Nevertheless, your comment that “[you] don’t think [you] have ever been called as many demeaning names” struck a chord with me and made me think how I would feel if someone had said such things about me in that same acerbic tone.

    If I accepted that I’d done something out of order and/or simply thought the other person was wrong, then that wouldn’t bother me so much. But the TONE is hard to ignore.

    It’s just the sort of thing that I would write the other person off entirely for. Which is likely what you’ve done with me.

    Now, I’m not going to cry into my milk if that’s the case and I STRONGLY doubt that you’re crying into your milk or anything either; I’m just some random person on the other side of the world.

    But I do, of course, know how it feels to be insulted.

    I didn’t realise there was a link off [site where original post was made] to this blog. Not that that’s ANY kind of excuse! It matters not now that I assumed you wouldn’t read it. You have. And I’ve offended you.

    I still think my argument stands. I just didn’t need to be so mean in asserting it, perhaps.

    The rave, incidentally, was more about folks–religious folks–who seem to think it’s okay to push their moral POV onto others. Your comment in that thread struck me as a PRIME example of such activity. Now, even though it turns out I was wrong about that, the rave was more about that kind of MORAL POSITION than whether or not I think you’re stupid.

    And I’m not trying to backpedal there, either. I think that post really is about holier-than-thou prats who seem to think it’s okay to foist their religious beliefs onto others uninvited. Having realised that it was YOU that I was talking about (and that I’d already called you an idiot), it was probably difficult to see that the post was less about you than the aforementioned abstract point. Your comment was simply an example to spring from.

    I doesn’t change the fact that you feel insulted, though.

    So I offer my apologies for that.

    I also apologise for assuming (wrongly, obviously!) that you’re religious, particularly when you say you’re “anything but”. I know how HORRIFIED I’d be if someone assumed I was religious. But that’s another topic.

    On the main point here, I don’t know what else I can say, really. :oops:

    Feel free to respond to this email. I’m an opinionated SOB, for sure; prone to rant away–particularly about things religious (even though I was patently wrong about your own religious persuasion here). But I’m not a COMPLETE cock. And I’m more than willing to say “my bad…” or “I was wrong”, y’know. So if there’s anything else you’d like to discuss, fire away.

    Leslie

    ======================= Ms X responded ==================-======

    Hello there Leslie,

    Thank you for taking the time to respond with such thought. As bad as your rant was (and yes you are correct it was very insulting), this was good to hear from you. I know, I can rant too, I just usually don’t make it public ;)

    I really am not an idiot.

    Thank you for being man enough to say sorry. I definitely was not expecting that.

    Thank you for not standing on that blog post. Might I ask you to alter it a bit?

    With Friendship,
    Ms X

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